The interview takes place on the premises of the Ullstein publishing house – even before Putin has his soldiers march into Ukraine. Therefore, there are no questions about the war in the conversation. The wife of the Federal President and judge Elke Büdenbender, who will soon be in office again, and the doctor and philosopher Eckhard Nagel are sitting together on a sofa, but keep the Corona safety distance. They seem to be well-rehearsed interlocutors. They never interrupt each other, neither trying to dominate the conversation.
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